Pit Schultz on 8 Dec 2000 21:35:57 -0000 |
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MW> The great myth of our times is that MW> markets are somehow naturally occuring, and that business left MW> to its own devices operates in a 'free market'. Markets require MW> a regulatory framework in which to function. yep. one regulatory framework might be 'nature' itself, or what we know or do about it. physics, ecology, the body, society, economy, tourism, hamburgers... interestingly the hunt for the higgs particle which is just happening in CERN, or the spreading of the solar wings of the international space lab, webcasted by NASA, are rather useless events within a narrow economical framework. they are performances, effective and not efficiant but certainly state funded. in a larger timespan then a men's life, even space experiments might become lucrative. and if not, it really doesn't matter. as long as it feeds imagination today. global warming doesn't feed imagination. it's not like sex in space. it's interesting that the U.S. was unable to find a consensus in Den Haag while everybody was guessing how many ballots were between the two presidents. as Lenin would have said, the worse the better. the weather doesn't 'perform', but the internet performed very well, if it goes up or down, it generates a buzz. stock markets as a theater of all kinds of fantasies, are more important then the weather. therefore one must be able to buy trees in Brasilia and calculate them against smog producing cars in New York City. cars are also state funded. opposed to the writers of this retrograde pawlovian leftist report which claimed to be about the future, and contained so many empty names, it sounded to me like those bands from the 70ies which cannot stop to play bad blues rock, which even in their time was 'out', so, opposed to the timeless art of whining, its so much the question if we are able to exist outside of the media stage, where everything has to fit into a certain choreography, which nobody ever has seen but everybody tries to follow. the lies of gore, the syntax of bush, empty corporate logos, boring nettime threads, it all already disappeared and we can watch our own shadows playing boxers. nice figure, mr. stahlman. we are already looking at our screens from inside. this is post-science-fiction. it already happened. toktok. to felix and doug: think about all the money beeing spent. i think the railways and highways comparision is fine, and popular because of its metaphoric value. nevertheless electrification might be the nearest neighbor here. the fast spread of the networks of power around the turn of the century allowed a major restructuring of production. it still is visible in the machine-like architecture of metropoles like chicago or berlin. railways and highways transport matter, electrical wires transport power. with such an ammount of net investment (after the big prosperity from the colonies) a new economic growth was expected, a change of all-day-lives, and a devaluation of all values, an explosion of productivity which collapsed in the rise of nationalism. after classic modernism came cybernetic modernism. was it an answer to nation-state-war-machines going mad? what comes after the information age? so much is clear, the 'new economy' around electricification certainly was partly responsible for the overinvestments in the 20ies and the following depression. today the overconsumption of energy still causes problems for the whole system which cannot be solved with or 'on' the internet itself. instant brain allocation needed. who's in control today? [ ] bush 'n gore [ ] the ballot machines [ ] nasdaq and dow jones [ ] Icann [ ] your mother MW> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Doug Henwood wrote: >> >Felix is quite right, the bubble is not the main thing. But it >> >is not entirely irrelevant either. The 'irrational exuberance' >> >of investors plowed a lot of money into dotcoms that, in >> >hindsight, could have been better invested elswhere. Its the >> >price you pay, in a market economy for getting resources >> >allocated more or less right most of the time -- those times >> >when investment just goes up in smoke. >> >> How do you know they're correctly allocated most of the time? By what >> standard? What's your counterfactual? >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net