R. A. Hettinga on 24 Jan 2001 06:26:53 -0000 |
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Re: <nettime> The End of an Era: the Internet Hits Ground |
[This post has spawned a discussion on another list to which it was forwarded. The posts, forwarded back to nettime, have been digested here.] --- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:21:36 -0800 From: Somebody To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> The End of an Era: the Internet Hits Ground I would add to <Other Somebody's :-)> cogent thoughts that a) I do not think the author has a shred of evidence for this claim, and there is substantial counter evidence. b) The Madison Avenue nature of the dotcom mania was simply not conducive to a complex innovation such as anonymous emoney. What's the brand image? What are the demographics of the customer base? And what's the tag line? ("The new way to launder your kiddie porn, drug dealing and terrorist money! Safe for cybercriminals in any jurisdiction!".) It just didn't fit the zeitgeist. <le Snippage...> --- end forwarded text Message-Id: <p0501044bb6936241f853@[10.0.1.4]> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:37:51 -0500 To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs@philodox.com>, dcsb@ai.mit.edu, cryptography@c2.net, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> The End of an Era: the Internet Hits Ground --- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:54:33 -0800 From: Somebody To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> The End of an Era: the Internet Hits Ground What a crock. The "dotcom madness" was a Madison Avenue phenom. It was using graphic arts and kewl scripts to make websites "sticky", then renting ad space on those sites, then developing banner blipverts, counting clickthroughs, producing multimillion dollar superbowl TV ad campaigns, breathlessly promoting companies and feeding the hype to the "news" media, dealing the investment bankers in to monetize the whole thing. It was a truly amazing engine to see -- more like a tornado or a tropical storm which kinda sucks energy out of the environment and builds in strength. Everything was working together, and I've got to believe a bunch of advertising executives have beautiful new yachts on Long Island Sound. Then the music stopped. As part of the Madison Avenue circus, it was necessary to repeal a few basic laws of economics -- or should I say engage in a willing suspension of disbelief. But when the houselights came back up, it was clear that the sets were painted flats, not Camelot. Revenue, cashflow, margins...all came back into focus. But let us not throw out the revolution with the broken down dotcom ad campaign. Toysrus, Barnes&Noble, Schwab, and WalMart may be showing that clicks and mortar is effective, but it is likewise in- conceivable that they could ignore eToys, Amazon, Etrade or Buy.com. The ecommerce revolution is in full swing. And don't mistake all the stupid internet laws (ban gambling site access, DMCA, the Hague Convention, kiddie filters) for a resurgence of the Nation State. It is simply the incoherent babbling of increasingly irrelevant legislative and executive bodies. The internet is still different. The scent of upheaval is still in the air. You can hear Yankee Doodle playing somewhere close to hand. <Snip of Death...> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net