<nettime> Have we not learned anything from the 90s?

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   Re: <nettime> Have We Not Learned Anything From the 90s? OR, "abort, retry, fail
     Brad DeLong <delong@econ.Berkeley.EDU>                                          

   AW: <nettime> Have We Not Learned Anything From the 90s? OR, "abort, retry, fail
     "ritchie" <ritchie@pettauer.net>                                                



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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:10:52 -0700
From: Brad DeLong <delong@econ.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Have We Not Learned Anything From the 90s? OR, "abort, retry, fail; the end of the cyber ethic"

>  hello all,
>
>    It surprises me to see so many still cleaving to
>the idea that the internet will somehow democratize
>society and lead us to some kind of mythic utopia in
>the near future.  It seems to me that this experiment
>has been carried out to its fullest extent in the past
>10+ years, resulting in a resounding "NO DICE"( to use
>the endemic NY expression ).
>    I find it dissapointing to the point of absurdity
>that people are still getting jazzed about things such
>as faster bandwidth( why should i spend thousands of
>dollars so I can watch TV on my computer?! ).  As if I
>wanted to spend 30$/month for a high speed connection
>so I can recieve 20X the number of ad banners I
>normally recieve( or i could revel in pornographic
>gluttony ).  Does anyone out there besides me find
>themselves spend frustrating hours in front of the net
>desperately searching for something interesting?


Nope. Not me. There is always something new and interesting on the 
net--and there is always something old and interesting that I should 
have read that is suddenly internet-accessible...


Brad DeLong


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influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen 
in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy 
from some academic scribbler of a few years back..."

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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:36:12 +0200
From: "ritchie" <ritchie@pettauer.net>
Subject: AW: <nettime> Have We Not Learned Anything From the 90s? OR, "abort, retry, fail; the end of the cyber ethic"

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dear nettimers,

I think many share Josh's feelings in a way -
most of us have been closely watching the net
growing (up) - and now one inevitably experiences
phenomena of commerzialization and, going hand
in hand with that, the replacement of euphoria
by depression.

has yet another faithful toy been spoiled?
I think not. At least not completely. En
passant the whole p2p disturbance has risen
consiense of a kind that might influence
cultural evolution in a - well, let's say it -
positive way. texts and contexts are widly
available. that's not too bad I guess.
the real killer applications did so far not
require the most bandwith, nor do we
have more democracy, but at least more
infotainment at our fingertips.

and one more linernote: I strongly believe
that ideas and concepts have to be rephrased
constantly with they hope that they hold
this time. it ain't that static.

greetz,
ritchie
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