<nettime> misc.digest [teh, westermayer, john, integer]

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David Teh <dteh@arthist.usyd.edu.au>
     Re: <nettime> taming the wild web
till@tillwe.de (Till Westermayer)
     Re: <nettime> Fw: [do-asia] NEWS: Indian help sought for global <...>
"John John" <diasporaontheroad2@hotmail.com>
     This is ridiculous! re: Public Enemy Goes Open Source
integer@www.god-emil.dk
     RE: <mafiatime> please encrypt private e-gene

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:50:44 +1000
From: David Teh <dteh@arthist.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: <nettime> taming the wild web

Amy Alexander wrote:

> article in today's LA times about the conflicts between the internet's
> "hippie anarchist" architecture and the abilities of corporations to make
> profits from it.

that's funny. here was i thinking the web was a corporate architecture that
(once-were)hippies made profits from.

dt

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Date: 27 Jul 2001 20:33:00 +0200
From: till@tillwe.de (Till Westermayer)
Subject: Re: <nettime> Fw: [do-asia] NEWS: Indian help sought for global 'e-parliament'

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . till we *) . . .

Hi,

>> India-IT-Parliament
>>
>> Indian help sought for global 'e-parliament'

that sound's really interesting -- does anyone in NetTime know more about  
this idea or a source where I can find out more about it?

bye,
 __ .
 / / / /                            ... Till Westermayer - till we *)
. . .

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From: "John John" <diasporaontheroad2@hotmail.com>
Subject: This is ridiculous! re: Public Enemy Goes Open Source
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:45:47 +0000

>Their current project
>exploits their fanbase, many of whom are no doubt eager to appear on
>a PE release, regardless of the legal requirements.

To even attempt to call PE 'exploitative' for letting their fanbase 
contribute to the SlamJamz competition is beyond ridiculous. I could barely 
believe I saw it.

As a nettime subscriber and a PE fan who has been posting on their message 
board on a daily basis since its inception, I know how much money Chuck D 
has sunk into the collective Hip-Hop community at no self profit. He doesn't 
ask for a cent yet has set up not only www.publicenemy.com, the 
bringthenoise.com radio station, the rapstation.com supersite, the new 
slamjamz.com label...all of these sites have provided services which have to 
be paid for. The PE series of sites do not ask for fees, have never hounded 
you with ads, cookies or ANYTHING. Chuck and co have been altruistic and 
accomodating to the point where I often fear if Chuck is getting any 
sleep...he personally posts on the EB and replies personally to email, 
perhaps the only major star who does so. Appears on fans recordings...

THE WHOLE SLAMJAMZ competition payment is just an incentive for people, an 
assistance...there are THOUSANDS of fans who would remix recordings FOR 
NOTHING! and have!

>Public Enemy's project is simply the making of another Public
>Enemy album, with PE apparently taking ownership of the derived
>works.


Look the reality is...the competition offers the chance to remix OLD tracks. 
These will probably not appear on the next album and are more likely to 
appear as a SlamJamz EP...it is really just a chance to let talented new 
comers have their work heard.Sure there is a mutual benefit in the 
promotion...but WE ASKED FOR IT! The fans...

Also Chuck is NO HYPOCRITE...he was subject of a bad record deal and has 
outlined FAIR and JUST royalties, publishing etc.

I can't think of a less deserving target to level 'exploitation' at. Chuck 
has not only been one of music's great innovators, but has been attempting 
to do the same on the web.

Shit, I personally owe the man forever for helping to set up as many 
internet resources as he. Free of charge...for the benefit of the positive 
promotion of Hip-Hop.


Funky Drummer


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From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:25:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: RE: <mafiatime> please encrypt private e-gene


      : DOGZ . TELEPATHI + QUANTUM MEKANIKS
        AKT 02 : SCENA A+N   
        [c]ccp Netochka Nezvanova + Irena Sabine Czubera





"Robert Dobbalina" <bobdobba@yahoo.com> - another ultra.zku!!!!!k demonstrator of yahoo couture


>In regards to PGP license agreement:
>
>>I'll take free speech over privacy any day, even if it's about something
>>stupid like how well their product works. Read my email all you like; just
>>don't try to tell me what I can and cannot say.
>
>>I'm exxagerating to make a point. Who are they kidding?


perhaps you + all posers \ impostors \ bagatele - authors of 0+0
whose specialty = exclusive utilization of ultra.korporat.fascistik konstruktions 
[e.g. open source] a +?

perhaps you + all posers \ impostors \ bagatele - authors of 0+0
whose specialty = 01 vale of sukroserubbertoxic tears in regards
to life decisions those able 2 konstrukt something or other
have taken da +?



>They also want to know your home phone number, birthday, address, and many
>other personal details. It also immediately (before registering a keyring)
>demands access to the internet, presumably to phone home and tell Network
>Associates your IP address.

poor model citizen employee.
do your tears taste as mine +?

re: `your` personal details 

  - home phone number - assigned to you by a phone.konglomerat
  - birthday - assigned to you by a family konglomerat
  - address  - assigned to you by a real.estate konglomerat

  - other - your name + body assigned to you by a family konglomerat

so you see model citizen - you do not exist exactly.
unless `you` buy something. hence ___... where you shop says a lot about you.

yahoo + FREE - my genes does negatively tingle.




                                                   |||| your purchases ARE your genome [TM++




>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?


do your tears taste as mine +?





>Get your free 



your genes taste FREE!!!!!!!!!!!
   
            "puh"  





>@yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


isnt it always the ultra destitute. simply.INFERIOR + UNATRAKTIV kr!!!!ketz
= konsume all ov the korporat.fascist data +?


apres = all the Do You Yahoo!? kr!!!!!ketz
+ open SSource kr!!!!ketz = protest global!zaz!on.

why - you dont even own more than 01 body [u!nk2ccccelv. nn - 01 .b!o kap!tal!zt. !ez pl!!!!!sz]


1001 smiles 2 01 amalgam of demoralized.destitute.urban.`sardines`

let m! zku!!!!sz 0+7 lemonz !n ur open-genez.

http://membank.org/genetrade/

nn









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