joanne richardson on Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:21:34 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> the language of tactical media |
Dear Michael, Wow, it's not every day I get compared to a Slovenian skinhead aggressively singing a dispassionate anthem. I find it hard to reply since you're right: I have nothing to say, offer no original ideas or conclusions about what is to be done, and only cite a few names and ask a few questions - about some things I think are often passed over in silence. > Are we beyond the obvious here? Didn't "Here & Elsewhere" > already signpost an alternative to what you call the apocalyptic vs. > utopian "sense" of the media, 30 years ago? Well, yes, that was the reason I used the example. Your reply seems based on a misunderstanding that I'm "accusing" Godard of having nothing to say. When I said that Godard became embarrassed about his past and started making films that had "nothing to say" I was at least ironic, and at best serious. Apologies for not being obvious and straightforward enough, and at the same time too academic. The contrast was between having something to say -- in the sense of making absolutely declarative statements like the one's we're familiar with from the history of manifestoes - and telling a history by way of asking questions. So I am neither ambivalent nor uneasily fascinated by H&E, and I would agree with you that the film is one of the better examples of conveying the complexity of the Palestinian/Israeli disaster, maybe because it asks a lot of naïve questions, presents contradictory perspectives on the event, and instead of offering easy answers, leaves it up to others to draw inferences and conclusions. The contrast was also meant to suggest that it is maybe too easy to criticize something like the 'anti-globalization' movement for being merely negative and lacking any positive demands. It's not just a question of having something to say, but how you say it, how convinced you are of the correctness of your theory, who participates in it, how open it is to criticism and recognizing its contradictions, and probably a lot of other things which can't be listed in advance. Ciao, Joanne # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net