Re: <nettime> NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous

[Marko Peljhan <marxx@ljudmila.org>]

Yes, line item 82 is somewhat crucial and surprising in its 
explanation...(if you are no cynical...)
But as you pointed out, this happened in the 80's and you could find 
similar cases
all over the legal systems of s.c. democracies up to today.
Here in the US, more than half of the public opinion does not care much 
about the fact
that all of our communications and patterns are being gathered and 
stored...it is an incredible reaction.
Half of the public opinion is completely buying into the "security" 
argumentation and the necessity of this
becoming a fact that we should simply live with or is not even aware of 
it and thinks, as the President,
that Snowden is a "hacker".
It is an unimaginable prospect that this is the case, but it is.
The problem of Europe is that it has allowed this to happen all along, 
and the surprise is still somewhat bewildering,
although more than necessary. And Europe has if i am not mistaken UK as 
part of the Union. That says it all as far as
UKUSA is concerned. It was probably the GCHQ who facilitated the bugging 
of the Brussels chambers...why wouldn't they,
they have a special relationship.
Yes, Holy Smokes, it is really happening. What now?
Check out the lovely former representative of the people Jane Harman.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/jan-june13/nsadebate_06-10.html
I think this is one of the many little insights into the current state 
of "balkanized" hyperproduction
(thank you Patrice for reminding us of Chruchill) of history.

And Heiko, there are alternatives, and more will emerge. They are slower 
and slower paced, maybe this is what this
world needs before it finally sinks into the Anthropocene oblivion.

Mx

The trade agreement is for sure part of the ecology, but the fact On 
7/2/13 9:22 AM, Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
> Am 02.07.2013 07:28, schrieb Marko Peljhan:
>
> > Heiko, great that you pointed out to this legal brief which is a
> > fantastic, albeit a bit heavy legal read.
> Well, it is a decision by the German Federal Constitutional Court and I
> think the case shows that it is basically all very trivial. We cannot
> paint the world, we have to take it as it is. And it is completely
> ridiculous to expect anything in it to change so far. Thats the nature
<...>


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