| Keith Sanborn on Tue, 6 Nov 2018 16:10:00 +0100 (CET) |
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| Re: <nettime> Taking sides |
One can say gender and identity are de facto markers of disenfranchisement and hence of class. It is the understanding of “class” which needs deeper analysis. And it is the undoing of hierarchies of gender and identity within class struggle which might make possible future advances. On Nov 6, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Alice Yang <alice.lan.yang@gmail.com> wrote: >> These two young women do they exactly what I have been asking for, they put class first and identities second and thereby arrive at a Marxist analysis of contemporary society from which we can build a proper left for the future. > > God! Asking women to put a gender and race neutral class first and “identity” second is asking them to support masculinity over themselves! > > I also support removing or banning Alexander Bard from the list. > > Alice > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2018, at 6:50 AM, David Garcia <d.garcia@new-tactical-research.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Yes please. This tiny splinter of the <nettime> community says. >> Bard just stop. >> >> David >> >>> On 6 Nov 2018, at 04:30, Lunenfeld, Peter B. <lunenfeld@arts.ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello All - >>> >>> Bard asked if the <nettime> community wanted him to cease and desist. My vote is yes. Not only are his politics abhorrent, he’s not here to engage in dialogue at all, from what I gleaned from his shit-postings. He’s just a typist with a broadband connection and a Tourette twitch that compels him to type “Marxist” and “Rousseauvian” every 45th and 48th word. Fuck his Charlottesville nazi-coddling and fuck him. >>> >>> Kudos, Ted - >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2018, at 7:08 PM, tbyfield <tbyfield@panix.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6 Nov 2018, at 3:50, Ryan Griffis wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I take neither side at Charlottesville >>>>> >>>>> Need anyone say more? >>>> >>>> Nope. 'Charlottesville' was a neo-nazi riot in which a person was murdered. That's a good reason to take a side — against neo-nazis. To not take a side is, in effect, to condone that murder. I think it's reasonable to say that condoning murders, however indirectly, crosses a clear line on this list. For that reason, I just flipped the mod switch on Bard: his messages will be held for review. He's given us a lot to think about lately, so reviewing new ones won't be a high priority. >>>> >>>> This decision is mine alone — I haven't talked with Felix about it. >>>> >>>> Comments and criticisms are warmly welcome. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ted >>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >>>> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org >>>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >>> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org >>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: