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other social networks are possible https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50127713 Em 2019-11-04 21:29, Alan Sondheim escreveu: > I'm in agreement here; I leave as little trace as I can. (Also trapped > because I want my own work to remain.) This reminds me of the fight I > had on YouTube with Viacom and YouTube (later) re: my banning which > went on for a couple of years, a fight I finally won. YouTube has its > own viciousness of course - even something as saying no to autoplay, > which then returns on the next login. > > I'd be curious about the server farms YouTube must use; they seem > unimaginable to me. > > Best, Alan > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, Craig Fahner wrote: > >> maybe it's not so much a question of whether facebook's policies are bad (of >> course they are) or whether facebook is part of our social infrastructure >> (of course it is), but, rather, what capacity users have to undermine >> facebook's more predatory policies and evade its data collection regimes and >> biased recommendation algorithms. given that a lot of people use facebook >> not because they think it's an optimal platform, but because it is >> absolutely necessary to use it in order to connect with certain communities, >> what possibilities exist for users to participate in those communities while >> circumventing the platform's more odious aspects? what do a tactics of >> social media usership look like? i suspect they would engage in a constant >> give-and-take with the algorithmic governing forces that be, but, with a >> growing sentiment of suspicion regarding facebook's policies, perhaps a >> tactical approach along the lines of plugins that remove algorithmic >> recommendation features, deliberate scrambling/obfuscation of users' data >> and trackable behaviours, etc. might be more successful in empowering users >> than simply encouraging them to leave the platform entirely. >> craig fahner - https://www.craigfahner.com/ >> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:25 AM Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, mp wrote: >> >> > On 03/11/2019 20:36, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> >> >> The loss is more important to me >> > >> >> On Sun, 3 Nov 2019, Frederic Neyrat wrote: >> >>> 1/ FB enables to create a "community," that's good for >> sure;? >> >>> 2/ but in the same time, it destroys?the condition of the >> possibility of >> >>> community/togetherness/Gemeinwesen/?tre-ensemble, etc. >> > >> > Individual, particular and hence relatively short term >> perspective and >> > context (Alan's) vs. collective, abstract and hence relatively >> long term >> > perspective and context (Frederic's). >> > >> > A common disjuncture. >> > >> >> What disturbs me here is the assumption of passivity "relatively >> short >> term perspective" for example. Unless you know my work, read my >> posts, >> etc., you have no idea how long my perspective is. I've run >> talkers, a >> MOO, conferencing in IRC years ago, CuSeeMe, and on and on. I've >> taught >> courses in internet culture from 1995 on. And one of the things >> that keeps >> me generally from posting on nettime, is its own toxicity, these >> constant >> presumptions about one another, about the world, etc. And re: >> below, there >> is no "on the one hand, on the other hand" - the issue is far >> more complex >> as is people's usage of Fb or other platforms (for example email >> lists >> themselves). So "email is also shit"? >> >> I know a hell of a lot of free jazz musicians who work through >> Fb, fight >> racism, and take advantage of the platform. I know people who >> have found >> community on Fb that is absent for them in rl. I've participated >> in >> courses taught on Fb. I've engaged in political action on the >> platform. I >> don't expect purity anywhere; I never have. And one person's >> purity can be >> another person's hell. I'm appalled at Fb's policies but also >> given that >> the platform has between 1 and 2.4 billion users, the sociality >> is far >> greater (and far more diverse and interesting) than its public >> image. >> >> Alan >> >> >> > It is a complex issue. On the one hand it makes sense to >> adjust your >> > means to the ends you desire. Be the change you want to see >> and all that. >> > >> > On the other hand, it could be seen as a form of >> neoliberalisation when >> > the responsibility for the future of the system is distributed >> to >> > individuals - and at the end of the day, it is impossible to >> live in >> > this planetary urbanisation without acting in destructive >> ways, so we >> > all have to cut corners. Email is also shit for the web of >> life we are >> > entangled in. >> >> > #?distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> > #?<nettime>? is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> > #?collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> > #?more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > #?archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org >> > #?@nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> > >> #?distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> #?<nettime>? is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> #?collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> #?more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> #?archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org >> #?@nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> >> > > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wo.txt > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: