Re: <nettime> [digest 4x] nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving

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From: kanonmedia <alexandra.reill@kanonmedia.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:16:53 +0100
To: nettime's mods <nettime@kein.org>

   Keep it as an online archive / publication!

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----- Forwarded message from Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com> -----

From: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:46:52 +0000
To: nettime's mods <nettime@kein.org>, nettime-l <nettime-l@mx.kein.org>

   Hi all,

   I did notice the silent period and was a bit saddened by it.  Do we
   know if anyone tried to post during that time?

   Perhaps the Hippocratic ethos is relevant here.  Lately I've been
   interested in concepts of network medicine as they might inform the
   ethics of network civilization.  Age and eventual demise or archival
   are medical concepts in a sense, relating to "end of life" whether for
   technology, biology, or information.  Many intangibles are involved,
   like the wishes of the family, legacy for future generations, the
   historical record, and so on.  If a reasonable quality of life is not
   sustainable for nettime, what is the most balanced approach for
   archival?

   Speaking for myself, despite having posted a lot of inane and
   embarrassing content to nettime, I would wish to have it preserved in
   some archival form (perhaps like a discontinued periodical is preserved
   in a library for research purposes).  Erasure of what was and may
   continue to be important (the baby) seems more negative than the
   embarrassment of being remembered (the bathwater).  I like the gritty
   reality of nettime.  Perhaps it is enough to be remembered and
   forgiven, rather than erased and forgotten?  Each writer to nettime may
   feel differently.

   It seems to me that an artistic or historical institution such as a
   library or university might be a good way to host the archive
   long-term, as is done with periodicals.  Making a giant torrent
   available as with Geocities could be an option, but it would be nice to
   keep something of nettime's structure and simplicity of html.  Could a
   precise copy of what now appears at nettime.org be certified by
   blockchain, and made available to various institutions or individuals
   if they wish to archive a copy?  Same copyright rules etc.

   Not unlike some good, old magazines in binders on a shelf, available in
   more than one library.

   Best wishes to all,

   Max
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----- Forwarded message from Geert Dekkers <geert@djangowebstudio.com> -----

From: Geert Dekkers <geert@djangowebstudio.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:52:52 +0000
To: nettime-l <nettime-l@mx.kein.org>, "nettime's mods" <nettime@kein.org>

   Actionable, as in "we need a hosting solution"? We might be able to
   help with that.

   Best regards
   Geert Dekkers
   gsm +31 6 147 487 55
   Django Web Studio | [1]https://djangowebstudio.com�; |� +31 2 334 3835

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----- Forwarded message from nettime-l-owner@mail.kein.org -----

From: Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 01:49:18 -0700
To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org

Great question, reveals all the hollowness of the 'Internet'. While 
there is a way to archive almost anything printed, there is no way to 
permanently archive anything on the Internet. It is ephemeral by nature, 
the storage being managed by entities that come and go, change policies, 
guaranteeing that nothing is permanent. Whoever offers archiving today 
will most likely not exist 10 years from now.

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That being said, it may be possible to inject nettime-l into 
archive.org, which may be around a bit longer than the others:

- go to the last snapshot (2018):

https://web.archive.org/web/20180624103024/https://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/

- create a script that will crawl through all the links (as Archive.org 
archived only the top page) and perform 'Save this url in the Wayback 
Machine' action and then "save page". We are talking number of 'clicks' 
equal to the number of messages. As archiving takes about 10 sec, it may 
take few months.

I have manually archived one to test - see 
https://web.archive.org/web/20200311083938/https://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1805/msg00022.html

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Alternatively, try bribing someone in the Library of Congress: 
https://www.loc.gov/programs/web-archiving/about-this-program/


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