Re: <nettime> Stormy weather?

[mp <mp@aktivix.org>]

Green transition?

On 15/02/2023 15:06, Felix Stalder wrote:
> They are, as you say, the end of the neoliberal global order manifested
> by the breaking apart of Chimerica, and the accelerating decarbonization
> of the energy supply (which is happening, even if too late to avoid
> massive damage).

Not sure if you are serious here?

Having been on the fringes of political ecology and similar networks 
looking at "green transition" and "the energy transition" for some time, 
I can only see this thing you say is happening "too late" as 
(dis)concerted efforts to justify burning the last oil with impunity, 
while setting up the final extraction movements: deep-sea beds and outer 
space for mining of the minerals required to keep on living wastefully.

The Avatar sequel is a great study in that and it's making Elon Musk 
richer and will be the total downfall of the critical zone, i.e. life as 
we know it. Hopefully the energy transition will not complete.

In a broader (philosophical?) sense, green/energy transition is a 
spectacular rewriting of the progress myth, pushing humanity deeper into 
the technosphere, and yet another human delusion about a perpetual 
motion machine that will somehow reconcile, on the one hand, human 
desire for technologically afforded comfort with, on the other, living 
on a finite planet and with the need to be embedded in a complex web of 
life.

Surely not even the chat robot believes in this? It's the Matrix next, 
in that case.

As for the rest, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

This thread has brought all the mansplainers out in full force, 
including myself, but it is all just brain candy and wank, insofar as 
attempting to talk truth: might is right. (And the chat root has the 
best syntax and grammar anyway).

Brian wrote:

"....Today, under the pressure of climate change, broader fronts are 
emerging, which include not only peasant and indigenous struggles, but 
also metropolitan minorities and, crucially I think, elements of the 
middle classes who see the looming dead-end of industrial modernism - 
something that has not been very perceptible to the old working classes. 
These emergent alliances from below are threatened, not only by the 
police, but even more, by the paralyzing power of psychic distress that 
Hans Christian Voigt described so well in his first post. Naivete, and 
the hope that it will all be fine once the war is over, just don't cut 
it. Intellectuals need to furnish a realistic, updated analysis of the 
forces that lead to war - and that profit from war - under the present 
conditions of global competition and interdependence...".

Endtime prophecies and doom philosophies are of course applicable when 
attempting to analyse and control the world from the top down, or from 
the bottom up, for that matter.

In my view we live in the meantimes, cf. Bayo Akomolafe.

Always. Things come and go, civilizations come and go. As one falls the 
next is already in the making. One can throw oneself in there where one 
thinks it will matter in the next world, in the next meantime.

If the Condor and the Eagle will fly together one day, it will be above 
an animist culture. There is still hope. It is all there ever was.

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