| d . garcia on Tue, 2 May 2023 01:49:26 +0200 (CEST) |
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Dear Felix and Ted, I was looking forward to a bit of hand ringing at the imminent disappearance of Nettime. But you wisely deployed full Janitor authority to quash that option...pity. Many thanks to you both for all your work keeping the pub clean and the doors open for so long. I don't (shamefully) have much idea what it takes to keep a list like this functioning. It must be psychologically draining after so long. I imagine that there has been discussion behind the scenes about alternative options. I have signed up to the Mastodon version. It certainly adds something and complements the list but it offers no alternative those rare moments when someone's intervention creates a thread that catches light. Maybe behind the scenes there has even been some longer term succession planning .. approaching some fresh and different faces. Maybe these avenues were explored and no one who seemed right was willing to take it on? Perhaps Felix your mail has even now triggered some interest. I notice that Paulput his head above the parapet. Maybe others have be in touch off-list ??
But if this is indeed "last orders' the question arises, does the list go out with a bang or a whimper? The ideals/ideology of treating the internet as a shared work-space, in a way that (for all its faults and limitations)
is relatively free of exploitation, remains rare and true. And that this happens through this thing called collaborative text filtering meant something.. still means something. Simply letting Nettime fizzle out shouldn't be an option. And if thats hand ringing, so be it. Love & Peace David Garcia On 2023-04-30 11:52, Felix Stalder wrote:
Dear nettimers! First of all, thank you Florian for taking the time to care, admits of the other stuff that has been going on, to resurrect the list! Kein.org has been a real home for the list for many years, and we are grateful for that. The nettime has been offline for six weeks. The longest in its close to 28 years of existence. During those six weeks, only a very small number of people inquired about the list. Perhaps most of you simply assumed that the list would reappear and thought that downtime is no big deal, or you didn't notice because in the context of information overload, it's hard to notice information that is missing. Either way, it's not the best sign for the vitality of the list. This means, something needs to be done. As the janitors of the list -- the list has had no moderators for a couple of years now -- we feel that it's our (last) responsibility to initiate this process. To be blunt: we don't want to continue in the role of care takers. Not out of ill-feeling, but because we have done it long enough. Perhaps too long. So, the options are: someone else steps up and takes over this care-taking role and infuses fresh energies into the list, or we close it down. We are very happy that we can use the list handle this process, rather than go down because of a technical issue, but now that the technical stuff is solved, the social can take precedence again. It's time to step up and care! As the used to say in the bad old days: Silence = Death. And, we might add, so is hand-wringing. All the best, nettime janitors (Ted & Felix) On 30.04.23 17:50, KEIN Florian Schneider wrote:dear all,please accept my sincerest apologies for the long downtime, but the mail server which hosted nettime-l, as well as many more mailing lists and individual KEIN mail accounts, crashed after more than 15 years, in mid march.i managed to retrieve and recover almost all data but had to delay the work on the mailing list server due to an unexpected covid infection over easter. the good old but unfortunately rather outdated mailman v2, requires a downgraded environment which is finally up and running now.it looks like nettime-l should work as before.however, please note that the new domain name is: LISTS.KEIN.ORG <http://lists.kein.org/> and you will receive the mailing list messages from nettime-l@lists.kein.org <mailto:nettime-l@lists.kein.org>all the best, florianps: if someone has a proposal for a contemporary mailing list software that offers comparable and backwards compatible functionality with mailman, please drop me a line. mailman v3 seems not to be an option and many large lists and their archives experience the same challenge.—— Florian Schneider fls@kein.org Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) President of the Society for Artistic Research (SAR) # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: https://lists.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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