Re: <nettime> New proposal

[Geoffrey Goodell <goodell@oxonia.net>]

Hello Menno and all,

Agree with Menno's proposal -- we should support it.  INC sounds like a
fantastic host.  It is wonderful to see so much enthusiasm and capacity to keep
this project going.  I also offer my support as well and am happy to help
Menno, Geert, and Florian however possible.

To be clear, continuing nettime is important not only because of the value of
continuing this community.  It is important for building resilience: a bulwark
against a world of platform services run by powerful data brokers, the world of
proprietary apps that supplant freedom in favour of control, the world of feeds
that aim to curate our world, the world of mobile devices that buttress an
expectation that we must always be online and interruptible.  The earlier
proposals geared toward transforming nettime into something like that are truly
heartbreaking.

Thankfully we have decisively stepped away from that precipice.  But what we
must do now is follow through.  Will Felix and Ted work with us to hand over
the keys (list membership, archives, configuration settings, DNS records, and
so on) to some responsible successors.

Menno, please let us know if this new team has any difficulty engaging with
Felix and Ted to make this happen, please keep us posted, and please let us
know if we can help.

With gratitude --

Geoff

On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 01:12:10PM +0200, Andreas Maria Jacobs (xs4all) wrote:
> Hello 
> 
> Menno and list
> 
> Completely agree with the rejuvenation/continuation as a necessary
> counterweight to the ongoing usurpation of the current communication landscape
> by Big Tech and their financial complices
> 
> Andreas Maria Jacobs
> 
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2023 22:41, Menno Grootveld <rabotnik@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Dear all, 
>      
>     My impression is that quite a lot of people do NOT want the list to be  
>     closed down. The next question then is: what can we do about it? I would  
>     like to introduce a feasible proposal. First of all, the list could be  
>     hosted elsewhere (if necessary). Geert (Lovink) told me that his  
>     institute, the INC, would be more than happy to host it. So that seems  
>     relatively easy. Then secondly of course the question is who is actually  
>     going to take care of the list (the 'janitor' job). I perfectly  
>     understand that Felix and Ted want to be relieved of that duty after  
>     eight years or so. But there are other people out here who could take  
>     over their role, including me. I understand that Florian (Schneider)  
>     would be up for this task as well, along with a young student of his  
>     from India. I have found a young student from France who would want to  
>     step in as well. That already makes four of us. Let's see if others want  
>     to join or share responsibilities. My take is that nettime is a very  
>     important resource that has not lost but GAINED relevance in the era of  
>     social media. And no, it is not just a relic from the early days of the  
>     net, adhered to and valued only by white males of a certain age. It only  
>     needs a little bit of fresh blood (in the sense of younger people) and  
>     perhaps a little bit more prodding (in the sense of asking people from  
>     time to time to share their thoughts about certain issues). But as an  
>     instrument of collective deliberation and the exchange of ideas it is as  
>     yet unsurpassed, as far as I am concerned. 
>      
>     Menno 
>      
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