Re: <nettime> the great re-alignment

[Menno Grootveld via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

Because Christian did not take anything that Felix wrote seriously and 
just decided to make fun of it ('irony'). I think that doing that is 
quite typical for people that are only out to ridiculize the opinions 
(or feelings) of others, and sadly that appears to be a favourite (and 
fairly succesful) tactic of the radical right.

Op 08-11-2024 om 22:03 schreef Joseph Rabie via nettime-l:
> Menno, instead of pontificating about things that don’t really have anything to do with what you are replying to,
> please
> please
> answer the question, why was what Christian wrote “utterly degrading (sorry, condescending) and abusive language” ?
>
> Changing one word for another does not cancel the fact that you accused Christian of being a neo-Fascist and FPÖ-supporter, out of hand, and that you should apologize for that.
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> Joe
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> Sent from my lawn-mower
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> > Le 8 nov. 2024 à 21:32, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> a écrit :
> >
> > Well, as far as I am concerned, there are times that call for irony and there are times that don't. And these particular times that we are living in certainly DO NOT call for irony.
> >
> > I've just been watching all the Dutch media reports about the events that took place yesterday night and the night before in Amsterdam. There is much talk about 'deporting' the assailants of the Maccabi Tel Aviv-supporters and about the need for harder repression and so on. I fail to see the irony in that, just as I fail to see the irony in the slaughtering of innocent civilians by the Israeli military (already for more than a year now!) or in the fact that most countries in the so-called 'free world' are now governed (or about to be) by the radical right or worse. Maybe there is some irony in the picture that was shared on social media after the Trump-victory of Trump with two guys sitting next to him in his campaign headquarters watching the electon results coming in: Elon Musk (of course) and a rather Vulcan-looking type who turned out to be Dana White, the president of a martial arts company. This second guy represents in my view what we are up against, and once more, I fail to see the irony in that.
> >
> > But you're right, I should apologize. I should not have used the word 'degrading.' I meant 'condescending' instead.
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> > Menno
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> > Op 08-11-2024 om 21:04 schreef Keith Sanborn via nettime-l:
> > > Irony is dead! Long live irony! Maybe the post and the critique were both? Intentionally or not.
> > >
> > > > > On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Rabie via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
> > > > Personally I found that what Christian wrote brings a welcome note of humour, given the morosity of the times. Christian’s sense of irony is always welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Menno : you find this “utterly degrading and abusive language”, and accuse Christian of being a neo-Fascist, which is (mildly putting it) outrageous, and definitely calls for an apology on your part.
> > > >
> > > > The LEAST that you can do is provide an argument laying out why you find it “utterly degrading and abusive language”. Then we can discuss it.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > (Je suis Charlie)
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> > > >
> > > > Sent from my lawn-mower
> > > >
> > > > > Le 8 nov. 2024 à 20:42, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> a écrit :
> > > > > Sorry, but this is the kind of utterly degrading and abusive language that makes me a little suspicious: are you perhaps a FPÖ-supporter? A neo-fascist, in other words?
> > > > >
> > > > > Op 08-11-2024 om 20:34 schreef Christian Swertz via nettime-l:
> > > > > > Hi Felix,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks for the precise overview. I also like apocalyptic perspectives. The apocalypse is - according to the Wikipedia - translated to revelation in Christianity. Apocalypse describes the revelation of divine knowledge. In other terms: Your description promises the approach of the final truth. Didn't we pray for this all the time? Redemption is near! And we will see it happen. That's great! We should storm parliament to get more momentum to the movement. See you Sunday after coffee at the Parliament?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand: Governments have been collapsing since I remember political events. That makes me a little suspicious. But maybe this time it will work. To be on the safe side, I will pray to god and ask for speedy salvation. I just have to choose the god to pray to. One moment please - I think I have to google that briefly ...
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