JSalloum on Mon, 15 Apr 96 19:09 MDT |
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nettime: hypergarbage.. hyperbole.. |
Dear Hyperpeople, I've been on this list since it started and would like to add some (IMHO) thoughts about its beginning, its use and its potential. I concur with what KK wrote yesterday and find that the postings usually waver between the annoying, the predictable and the useless. My comments are not intended to just be a negative voice out of the void but with the hope that the list will eventually develop into something worth participating in and using. Something based out of a slightly different constituency than the other lists of cultural producers that are out there. There are some good lists out there with similar intentions (i.e. nettime, rhizome..) and these usually function well because the spamish banter and useless chat is usually edited out. I find the name of this list offensive, both parts of it. Why emulate or try to reproduce some Eurocentric notion (albeit virtual) of a 'nation', this really doesn't connote a diverse sense of community or the communal but carries the sense of the authoritative structures of a race-based division, one that oppressive nationalisms are built on. Many of us are struggling against this paradigm and the reiteration of it suggests another hierarchical positioning in the making. Liberating and stagnant nationalisms are also built on this but many of these shift to an exclusive/inclusive ideology at some point in their history. If we are intending to be a more diverse grouping of paricipatory readers and users then a different model might be appropriate. The Hyper part of the name really bugs me as well. Why again cater to the superficial commercialized aspects of the nomenclature, any contact on this level seems like an implied superficiality, as in hyperbole, as if a lot of our problems are not due to the speed, exaggeration and lack of consideration many of our actions on a global and personal manner are carried out in. By using the Hyper label we are attaching ourselves to the worst tendencies of net activity, the effacement of personal contact, the erasure of difference and substantive meaning. And lastly as we saw again today, why are you using the listserve for personal messages? If people can receive the list then surely you could avoid us the waste of reading/deleting these messages and you could send them directly to those persons. I hope that this list can improve and formulate itself in a more interesting way. I know there are many folks out there on this list that I would enjoy hearing from but I think all the chatter and uni-linear messages filter us out. Sincerely, Jayce -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: HYPERNATION Zone autonome de recherche, de creation et d'echange. What is a nation in cyberspace? -- * distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission * <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, * collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets * more info: majordomo@is.in-berlin.de and "info nettime" in the msg body * URL: http://www.desk.nl/nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@is.in-berlin.de