<nettime> Bilderberg (4x)

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 1. Alain Kessi <kessi@bitex.com> : Re: <nettime> Bilderberg papers revealed

 2. scotartt <scot@systemx.autonomous.org> : Bilberberg refutal

 3. cisler <cisler@pobox.com> : Re: <nettime> Bilderberg papers revealed

 4. Virtel, Martin <Virtel.Martin@ftd.de> : Bilderberg is online...



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 From: Alain Kessi <kessi@bitex.com>
 To: nettime <nettime-l@desk.nl>
 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:04:24 +0200
 Subject: Re: <nettime> Bilderberg papers revealed

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> I seem to remember a <nettime> post last year that was a fairly
> concise refutation of the whole Bilderberg myth (which bears too many
> echoes of anti-semitic rhetoric to be considered innocuous). Perhaps
> it could be reposted or dredged up from the archives.

I suppose you refer to the following post (which is the only one
critical of the Bilderberg hype in the nettime archives, besides 3
messages indulging in the hype, one of them even sent twice :-).

http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/199905/msg00329.html

Unfortunately, I haven't managed to extend my right-left page (on
right-wing influences in leftist campaigns and retorsion of left-wing
discourses by the New Right or others) to the Bilderberg discussion yet,
but in a week or so, you should find more on
http://www.savanne.ch/right-left.html

Alain



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  From: scotartt <scot@systemx.autonomous.org>
  To: "nettime-l" <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
  Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:27:59 +1100
  Subject: Bilberberg refutal

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To: "nettime" <nettime-l@Desk.nl>
Subject: <nettime> Fw: warning: Bilderberg material is fascist hoax!
From: "F. Javier Ruiz Diaz" <Javier@oxte.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:50:53 +0100


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-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchel Cohen <mitchelcohen@mindspring.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <j18discussion@gn.apc.org>
Date: 28 May 1999 08:11
Subject: Re: warning: Bilderberg material is fascist hoax!


>Thank you, thank you Lisa Taylor.
>The LaRouchies have long recruited in this very same way, via Bilderberg
>scare tactics, anti-semitism, etc. (Their documents cite the Queen of
>England as the leading dope pusher in the world, and then you get drawn
>into the question of whether she's "the leading one" or only a secondary
>dope-pusher!
>Either way, you get sucked in.
>The Queen of England, for LaRouchies, by the way, is code-word for "Jews".
>
>The LaRouchies are trying to establish a presence again here in New York
>City at anti-war marches (the Schiller Institute is theirs, as is The New
>Federalist newspaper) and anti-racism demos, where they sit at a table in
the back and try to trick people into debating with them. They have not
been
>very successful. Don't be duped.
>
>They work by creating a sense of crisis and browbeating those who listen
to
>them.
>For instance, at SUNY Stony Brook a number of years back, their argument
>was that the world was going to end on June 6, 1984, I believe, because
>of events that they forecast in the Middle East, and that YOU had to get
>involved in order to stop the end of the world (really!). "What's the
>matter with you, you don't care about the world," etc. They absorb a
>number of confused or weak-ego'ed people that way. Then comes June 6,
>the world is still there, and you confront them. "Well, what happened to
>your prediction?" "See," they responded, "because YOU got involved, we
>became so powerful that we were able to stop the world from ending!"
>
>If you believe any of their words, I've a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
>
>This particular Bilderberg document may not be LaRouchie in origin, it may
>be more run-of-the-mill nazi propaganda as opposed to the more
>sophisticated LaRouchian Nazi propaganda. Either way, it's anti-semitic
>and racist (we'll leave out homophobic, too, for the moment). Thank you
>so much for your clarifying remarks.
>
>
>
>At 01:07 PM 5/27/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>Dear friends,
>>
>>I am writing to you urgently to warn you about material being circulated
on
>>this list (however innocently) about a 'Bilderberg Conference' . The
>>material appears to be an attack on global power elite, but is in fact
>>material whose source is nazis and far right politicians with very close
>>links to big business.
>>
>>The purpose of the material appears to be to make people imagine there is
a
>>sinister Jewish conspiracy that is trying to dominate the world, a false
>idea but a dangerous one which contributed very much to Adolf Hitler's
>>genocide of the Jewish people.
>>
>> I am NOT implying in any way that the people on J18 list who sent the
>>material to the list are antisemitic or fascist themselves. It is more
>>than possible that they have become victims of this nazi hoax. I am only
>>warning them and the list in general about the original source of much
>>of this material:
>>
>>A member of this list, Javier, (email f.diaz@ucl.ac.uk) posted on 26 May
>1999
>>a message (title - Fw: <.nettime> Bilderberger (fwd)) warning us about an
>>apparent meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, due to
>>take place on June in Portugal, called the Bilderberg Conference. His
post
>>consisted of a long forwarded document and his comment that perhaps we
>>have chosen the wrong occasion to protest, and that we should in fact be
>>protesting this Conference, rather than the G8 summit.
>>
>>Early in the forwarded document the Washington-based journal Spotlight is
>>quoted as a source of information on the Bilderberg Conference. Spotlight
>>is published by the fascist Liberty Lobby, who for years had as key
figure
>>Willis Carto. You may find much information on them by contacting any
>>major anti-fascist organisation.
>>
>>Later the forwarded document presents a 'BILDERBERG '99: Partial Guest
List'
>>While the list includes many individuals who are certainly part of the
>>world's top power elite such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Tony Blair,
etc,
>it also includes a fantastic proportion of Israelis and Jews. It is clear
>>that the 'Guest List' cannot be an official document from the organisers
of
>>such a Conference - (there are many spelling and other errors,
billiionaire
>>Warren Buffet has his personal name and his company name listed the wrong
>>way round, one company entry has the comment 'of blessed memory' written
>>next to it and King Hussein of Jordan appears as an invited guest with
the
>>comment in brackets that he is dead(!) However, even if we were to
believe
>>that this is an accurate 'partial guest list' of a conference for world
>>domination drawn up by a good anti-capitalist, who happened to have
inside
>>information, then we need to ask several questions.
>>
>>Is it likely that enormously powerful members of the ruling elite like
>Warren Buffet and Bill Clinton would sit round a table with popular left-
>>of-centre Israeli authors like AB Yehoshua and Amos Oz to discuss how to
>>rule the world?
>>
>>Why is there a long list of academics from Israeli universities on this
>>list, and virtually no academics from any other countries?
>>
>>Why are so many of the 'guests' representatives  from top multinationals
>>who are Jewish or who have Jewish-sounding names, rather than the
non-Jewish
>>heads of these businesses?
>>
>>Andreas Rockstein of the J18 list answered my call for more info by
>>directing me to the website www.bilderberg.org. When you go there you
>>will see it is part of a large site run by Tony Gosling, who is
apparently
>>a former British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) man now into alternative
>>Christianity. He has much material re the 'Bilderberg Conference' on his
>>site. At a quick glance I noticed  he states himself that many of the
>>sources of his list of info links on 'Bilderberg' are nazi sources, but
>>warns us not to dismiss their authenticity of their information for that
>>reason. He refers to questions being raised in the British Parliament
>>demanding the truth re this Conference. In fact the MP who raised the
>>question, according to his own quoted material, is Nicholas Winterton, a
>>far-right Tory MP, well-known for his extremely racist attitude to Black
>>people.
>>
>>Other material there is from Norris McWhirter, a far-right political
figure
>>with very extensive links to big business. There is also a link to
>>'information' on this Conference by Gennady Zyuganov, head of the Russian
>>Communist Party (CPRF), well-known for his openly antisemitic stand, who
>>publicly blamed Jews for Russia's economic crisis last Christmas..
>>
>>Gosling's site also includes a poem by the English fascist Chesterton. I
am
>>not accusing Gosling of being a fascist himself. He has also put a famous
>>anti-fascist poem (by Pastor Niemoller) on his site. I think he is an
>>extremely confused man who has been taken in by antisemitic fascist
>>propaganda.
>>
>>I beg all J18 activists to be extremely wary of any information now being
>>put over the Internet re this 'Bilderberg Conference' . Demand to know
the
>>original sources of all the information. It would be nice if the two
>>subscribers who offered this material to the list could do a very
thorough
>>research of all the documents or websites they have referred us to and
then
>>tell us what they discover. I will post more information on this as soon
>>as I have time.
>>
>>Against fascism and against capitalism,
>>Lisa Taylor
>>International Solidarity with Workers in Russia - ISWoR (personal
capacity)
>>



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 From: cisler <cisler@pobox.com>
 To: nettime <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:07:07 -0800
 Subject: Re: <nettime> Bilderberg papers revealed

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I did a quick search on Bilderberg on www.google.com, The Economist, and
www.elibrary.com.  There was nothing in the Economist but lots in the other
two indexes from fringe web sites, Time magazine, Toronto Star, and some
business journals.  Hardly a secret.

Now here's a great conspiracy:  (courtesy of Agence France Presse)


Egypt wary of prophets of doom at millennium celebrations  (part of
article)

GIZA, Egypt, Nov 16 (AFP) -

Egypt is on guard against "pyramidiots" preaching millennium
conspiracy theories on the Internet, with officials warning zero
tolerance if they descend on the Giza Pyramids expecting Satan to appear as
2000 dawns.

At least two spiritual tour operators are advertising millennium
trips to the pyramids, billing guest speakers such as David Icke, the
former British television sportscaster-turned-prophet of doom.

Icke and others are warning that ex-US president George Bush will
summon oppressive evil forces at a black mass in a dank stone burial
chamber deep inside the great Cheops pyramid at midnight on December 31.

According to his website, Bush and the British royal family are key
members of the world "Illuminati elite" of human-reptile hybrids
whose rituals are designed to tap into fourth dimensional energy forces and
deprive ordinary  human mortals of their consciousness. ...



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 From: Virtel, Martin <Virtel.Martin@ftd.de>
 To: nettime <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:18:45 +0100
 Subject: Bilderberg is online...

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...and their worldwide network list is at

http://www.bilderberg.com/worldwide/worldwide.html

I tell you they did a great favour to german magazines by creating Bilderberg.

Honestly:

I just can't take those conspiracy theories seriously - because in order to
explain the world, they have to rely not on knowledge, but on ignorance.
"We can't know what is going on, therefore...."

M.

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