Brian Brotarlo on Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:17:35 +0100 (CET) |
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Re: <nettime> Whatcha Doin', Marshall McLuhan? |
McKenzie Wark wrote: > I don't think electric media retribalise -- here we are deep in the circular understanding of history that McLuhan shared with Vico and Joyce. But they are a medium with a message of their own, creating new spaces within which culture grows in different patterns. But then I have no faith in the possibility of a return to an ideal balance between the senses. There is no harmonious environment, the unstable and transformative nature of media environments is a constitutive part of our experience. There was no fall from Eden, from Adamic knowledge -- and no return to it. > Pessimism is a common feeling at the threshold of something not yet fully discovered but inevitably to be experienced. I understand the adrenalined anxiety, but what I don't get are the presumptions (you called it telelogical without explaning why it has to be teleogically this way) that anything has to move, without basic socio-cultural reasons (like simple economic changes and overpopulation) and that somehow experience is more about media environments than an existing accumulation we call personality. > > Here, like McLuhan, I think we have a lot to learn from artists, who perceive the media environment in ways scholars don't. McLuhan learned form Eliot and Eisenstein and Joyce.20 I think we can continue to learn, as his successor, from their successors. McLuhan showed the fecundity and profundity of symbolist and modernist art for media studies. I think there are good reasons to pay attention to their postmodern epigones. I've never supported a cultural studies that looked only to popular culture. McLuhan sought to see culture whole, and in the same spirit, if somewhat perversely, I think we need to get Nietzsche and Nick Cave into the same sentence.21 Both Nietzsche and Nick Cave, in different ways, made the same discovery -- that God is dead. Both embrace in an untimely fashion the unstable state of affairs that McLuhan and his modernist heroes lamented and detested. > Hasn't it always been unstable, as you said? In fact, the notion that God is dead is as non-Adamic as the creation of Adam himself. I think those two guys above had never been so comfortable, so like Adam, as when they first pronounced that God is dead. > > What I think we learn from the arts today is that while no return to a unified Ciceronian knowledge and culture is possible, contemporary media forms do make possible new networks of sense making, new configurations of time and space. Now, in the postbroadcast age, some of the virtues of previous eras of media form can be rediscovered and brought into new creative syntheses. There's no way to undo the fall, but there is a way to become conscious of the fact that culture is constantly in freefall, tumbling out of balance with itself, inventing new assemblages of human senses with their media extensions. > It can be unified without being Ciceronian, can it? Whew! I thought we were going to hit something when you say we're in freefall. All along, you were saying that the world isn't flat and the earth is not the center of the universe. That is, culture isn't really bound to the soil and religion doesn't have anything to do with blood and virtual landscapes aren't that far apart if you know the math, or is it the beat? And that if they're new assemblages it doesn't mean that everyone has to line up and by one for himself. Just checking if I can cope. Brian Brotarlo # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net