Re: [Nettime-ro] limbajul pe nettime-ro

[Gabriel Baldovin <gabrielbaldovin@hotmail.com>]

Te-am facut indirect schizofrenic acum cativa ani si acum vreau sa-mi cer scuze. Oricum pentru mine o astfel de jugnire nu e o jignire propriuzisa.
 
Astazi sunt de acord cu multe dintre chestiile pe care le labartai tu atunci. 
 
Dar cred ca folosesti abuziv unii termeni cum ar fi cei de prostitutie/coruptie. 
 
E adevarat ca artistii legati intr-un fel sau altul de institutiile statului preiau asupra lor mizeria acestora
 
Totusi nu poti sa spui ca Perjovschi e prostituat si corupt. De unde pana unde? Banii pe care ii castiga vin din afara in majoritatea lor. Vinde el energie la suprapretz, dirijeaza el fonduri? Asta iseamna coruptie. 
 
ce prostitutie face? Poti spune ca face unele compromisuri. dar e mare distanta pana la prostitutie. Generalizezi prea tare termenul. Viata inseamna , pama la urma, un sir de compromisuri. eu cred ca artistii le fac pe cele mai mici. Tu vad ca nu vrei sa faci niciunu'...
 
Nu poti sa arunci acuzatii asa pt. ca devi necredibil. Si e pacat ca, ti-am zis, ai nerv. dar daca il irostesti asa...
 
 
nu sunt de acord ca artistii n-au nevoie de stat. Uite cateva argumente aici (in josul paginii):
http://gabrielbaldovin.blogspot.com/2008/09/corporatismul-sufoca-romania.html
 
Sa stii ca revolta ta o impartasesc multi de pe lista asta si cu ideile tale rezoneaza mai mult astia pe care tu ii critici decat altii despre care amintesti doar in treacat. De ce nu vb. si de ei?
Mai bine canalizeaza-ti-o direct catre factorul politic si nu mai lovi in artisti. Cel putin nu atat de vehement. 
 
 
> > Depinde ce consideri polemica. De multe ori acest remarcabil 'bun > simt' se scrie bun simt dar se pronunta Coruptie,> ceea ce nu reprezinta o problema la nivel personal, dar la nivel > disciplinar este o problema de care defapt va plingeti.> > Din punctul de vedere al politicienilor si al oamenilor 'obisnuiti' > perjovschi are lipsa de bun simt.> > Perjovschi si 'alti' artisti se pling de coruptia politicienilor dar > se comporta identic.> El recomanda cenzura, precum politicienii de care se plinge.> Dana Catona, fiind o prietena ... lantul slabiciunilor -> coruptie.> > Perjovschi se plinge ca bugetul icr a fost taiat de 'hoti', oameni > 'corupti etc,> dar nu se uita la 'big picture' - romania/eastern europe is bankrupt.> > Perjovschi, precum multi alti 'artisti', este un salariat, nu artist. > This is not insult - it's a fact.> An artist doesn't need the state. S/he serves Art.> > > Bunul simt takes first place on a personal level. That isn't what > this 'discussions' list is.> Not when one is bombarded non-stop with reklame from salariati who > could care less> whom they reach.> > It is highly comical that one is insulted by 'polemics' and not by > the non-stop mindless reklame,> when non-stop mindless reklame constitute the ultimate invalidation > of one's humanity.> It is an inverse censorship.> > It is incredibly ironic that having tasted communism, and apparently > opposing the communist censorship,> you fully embrace the capitalist forms of censorship. And sometimes > not only embrace, but support and recommend,> as in the case of perjovschi and catona.> > Some of you are of the impression that western democracy is superior > - less polemics, more non-stop 'civilized' reklame,> ie. less personal interaction (which at times is offensive), more > impersonal robotics, and dehumanization.> > You should not be concerned by someone disagreeing or even insulting > you - both still constitute a recognition of your humanity.> You should be concerned by the faceless, sanitary non-stop reklame, > censorship and reverse censorship that has been> adopted by this 'discussion' list and romanian democracy as a whole, > which is yet an improved permutation of communism> and the dehumanization that it entails.> > In his work perjovschi agrees with this. In his life, however, he is > one of the perpetrators, much as the politicians he deplores.> He will be an artist when his work and his life lose their individual > borders and become one.> > In the interim he can follow the politicians and cut his budget.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> Nettime-ro mailing list> Nettime-ro@nettime.org> http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-ro> -->> arhiva: http://amsterdam.nettime.org/
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