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Nadia

 >Pai de-aia e posibil ca"baietii destepti" sa-si faca de cap ,pentru  
ca li
 > se permite ,au cale libera,pentru ca toata lumea TACE,ba mai  
rau ,unii sunt total dezinteresati de acest subiect.punct.

Si-acum pui tu mina pe batul comunist sa faci ordine cum te-anvatat  
muma si Ceausescu +?


Well - some artist named Einstein (since you like names, lozinci si  
etichete colorate) has said:

"Insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting different results"




Regarding your populist call for neo-communism and fascism
and blaming the subjects of repression for the chaotic conditions
as good communists and fascists always do:

It's not really worth responding in detail
besides stating the obvious

Dana Catona este o epava inconstienta

care a creat conditiile de care de plingi in
tandem cu perjovschi care ca orice mafiot roman
se bazeaza pe conectii si 'bun simt' to repress
those that disagree.

With people such as this it isn't any wonder
that Romania is in the state it is.

You should be thankful to Tariceanu si mafiotii de rind.

Daca Catona, demetrescu and a few others was running the country
it would be full fledged fascism.

As it is, it is a bastion of mediocrity, simple mindedness,
prostitution and corruption.



____________________

Now - irrespective of your populist call for
renaming Nettime-ro --- Nettime Romania Mare New + Improved


_IF_ Dana Catona is not replaced by a volunteer team of 3-4 men and  
women

_IF_ Dana Catona re:implements Ceausescu's automatic draconian  
control (that has been running for over 1 year so that only non-stop  
reklame were sanctioned)

The chaotic conditions will continue.




The hypocrit Perjovschi is presented with a very simple choice:

1. Apologize for recommending Cenzura (we're not talking about
moderation here. We're talking about systematic, non-stop,
automatic blocking for years on end - ie. neo communist repression or  
in capitalist parlance - monopolistic anti-competition)

or


2. Be a MAN (ca sa nu mai vorbim de artist) - and state very clearly  
that he supports Cenzura
(just as Nadia did - honesty is a rare quality indeed)

It's very simple.


Don't hide behind your lozinci democratice si progres si FAUX-PAS BUN  
SIMT when you are adhere to the neo-comunist, neo-securist coruption,
and ca mafiotii de rind folositi bunul simt si respectul to gain the  
upper
hand and enforce your idiotic repression.


If you behave like artists call your self artists.

If you behave like neo-comunisti + neo-securisti _do not_ call  
yourself artists.


It is a mistake to think that because there was a 1989
there won't be others.

It is logical to think that _because_ there was a 1989
there _will_ be others.

You can invest in that.





And Nadia - try to think for yourself - don't just look to the west  
and assume it's a good thing because it's made in the west.
If you want to learn from the past, learn that the communistic and  
fascistic repression did not work,

Si cei care au avansat doctrina 'pumnul in gura' au primit un avans  
de 'pumni in gura'.

If the west was always superior, all those colorful products in the  
supermarkets would also be better than the ones your mother makes.
Stop blaming tariceanu, cei de la usa cortului, zgomot de fond,  
manelisti, tigani, etc for the way romania is.
That is the first step out of communism.

Each and every romanian is responsible for the state romania is.

Each and every member of Nettime-ro is responsible for the state
it is in.

To think that one is better than the other,
is to live in the clouds still,

To think that the corruption of perjovschi is better than Tariceanu's is
to live in the clauds still.



 >cu respect pt Dan si Dan,

Respectul tau cu etichete colorate de neo-comunism
si 'pumnul in gura' (iti place +?) +?

Keep it. Give it all to perjovschi.





-
Cel de la usa cortului, zgomot de fond, tigan, manelist, roman,  
nameless nobody














 > Draga dle Perjovschi,
 >
 > Faptul ca apelul dvs la discutii pe o tema atat de importanta cum  
este batjocorirea culturii romanesti are ecoul care se vede....adica  
o mare
de
 > tacere din care razbat doar cateva voci,plus un potop violent de  
intoleranta si lipsa toata de stiinta a comunicarii din partea unor
oameni
 > stiutori de carte si care pretind ca le pasa ,cum NE consideram
(observati
 > ca MA includ si pe mine)......va da raspunsul la intrebarea  
nepusa :"cum de e posibil?"
 >
 > Pai de-aia e posibil ca"baietii destepti" sa-si faca de  
cap ,pentru ca
li
 > se permite ,au cale libera,pentru ca toata lumea TACE,ba mai  
rau ,unii sunt total dezinteresati de acest subiect.punct.
 >
 > Draga dna Catona,
 >
 > Fac apel la dv in calitate de administrator al acestei liste,pe  
care o consider deosebit de utila si de un nivel inalt de cele mai  
multe ori.Trebuie sa faceti ceva, ca incepe sa semene a "sat fara  
caini",sa-mi scuzati expresia.
 >  1)am impresia ca multi confunda existenta unor reguli de  
comunicare cu cenzura,ceea ce este eronat.
 > Orice grup de discutii  functioneaza dupa reguli precise ,nu se  
poate altfel si iata dovada: vom ajunge la nettime.... Babel.
 > Total de acord ca toti suntem liberi sa spunem tot ce credem, si  
admir intentia dvs de a lasa discutiile cat mai libere...daca se
 > poate...dar...cum ar fi un talk show la Tv unde toti ar vorbi  
simultan? Trebuie sa existe un moderator si unul energic.
 >
 > 2) mai am impresia ca nu toti utilizatorii listei au inteles la fel
scopul
 > acesteia si de aici confuzii:unii cred ca este doar un loc de  
anunturi culturale ,altii ,care au citit despre nettime international  
si au aflat ca in alte parti este un forum de dezbateri pe teme  
culturale ,au crezut ca pot face acest lucru si pe nettime -ro,fara  
sa le sara altii la gat
si
 > sa fie trimsi sa-si faca blog.
 >
 > Grupurile de discutii pe net (v-o spun in calitate de reprezentant  
a mai multor ONGuri dintre care unele europene si cu experienta a mai  
multor forumuri si grupuri de discutii foarte active,fara pretentia  
de a va da sfaturi,doar va prezint o realitate) au toate la inceput o  
descriere, o definitie a scopului si un manunchi de reguli de  
comunicare la care toti cei care subscriu (de bunavoie) trebuie sa  
adere,altfel nu sunt
 > inscrisi.Punct.
 > Trebuie sa intelegem cu totii ca un astflel de grup este unul  
PRIVAT si
NU
 > PUBLIC si deci administratorul are dreptul sa aprobe inscrierea  
cui doreste si, la fel ,sa dea afara pe cine incalca regulile la care  
a subscris ,fara niciun preaviz.Cum ar zice unii :"cenzura  
ceausista", dar nimeni nu-i obliga sa se inscrie daca nu le place si  
oricand pot
solicita
 > dezabonarea de pe grup ,deci au totala libertate de alegere.
 >
 > Pt co-listeni:
 > Cu siguranta ca voi fi atacata de unii (de genul:cine mai e si  
cine se crede asta sa "ne invete" pe noi ? etc etc), imi asum riscul  
si voi considera aceasta ca un "quod erat demonstrandum" al lipsei de  
toleranta care ne macina,din pacate, (mai ales ca e vorba de unii  
oameni de la
care
 > am pretentii).
 > Nu stim sa ascultam si sa folosim experienta celor care s-au"  
lovit deja cu capul de pragul de sus",ori de cate ori cineva emite o  
parere (buna -rea,macar e din capul propriu) trebuie redus la  
tacere,desfiintat ca persoana.
 >
 > Pai atunci ,ma intreb,unde e cenzura, dlor? Cine pune "pumnul in  
gura"?
 >
 > cu respect pt Dan si Dan,
 >
 > NadiRa




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