Re: [oldboys] HAL appetizers to 'socialize'

[Mathilde muPe <mupe@desk.nl>]

At 21:34 15-7-01 -0700, you wrote:
Thanks for filling me in Amy.

>i'm not sure why they'd be talking about this at HAL; is it because
>of the ever-changing standards? i.e. the faster your ethernet goes, the
>better your cable needs to be (cat 5, cat 5e, cat 6, etc.)

Well It wil not be a discussion topic, more talk on command level:
"Can you pass me that UTP cable on?"

>btw, why is NFS a hot topic for HAL? it's been around for awhile...
>another standards thing? (NFS3 finally crawling its way into linux, e.g.?)

Well, it is one of those typical abbreviation that are common in geek brain
spar stories.

>1) it seems ludicrous to outlaw scanning ports on ones own system
>2) more touchy: should this act - checking to see if the door (port) is
>open, be outlawed, if it is just a scan? (as opposed to an actual
>break-in.) while it's true that portscanning often precedes a break-in,
>there are also non-destructive reasons for portscanning, and most geeks
>see illegalizing portscanning as an unnecessary restriction of their
>freedom to be inquisitive.

Indeed, sounds as sily as forbidding lock pick instruments. Tools are not
the crime. Banning tools should be restricted to ultamate cases (like guns
and bombs).  But were should there be the line? Hacking for sake of proving
a system leak and warning the sysadmin is cool?(yes/no. if yes next
question:) Hacking to prove a system leak and not telling the sysadmin is
cool? (yes/no. if yes next question:) Hacking and leaving a damaged system
as tooken for the sysadmin that the system has been hacked is cool? (And so
on)  

>enforcement.) the freedom-to-hack is freedom-of-expression issues are a
>real powderkeg these days, so hopefully there'll be some good discussion
>of those.

The freedom of pacifistic hacking is also the freedom to  
1) Control and own what you already paid for (reverse engineering personal
software, hardware) 
2) Check software integrety.
3) Something with kapitalism and the power of being a human not a consumer. 

Hope to meet you there.

Mathilde



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