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Possible answer: the wall. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Louis Rawlins via nettime-l" <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> Aan: "Frédéric Neyrat" <fneyrat@gmail.com> Cc: "Louis Rawlins" <louis.rawlins@gmail.com>, "<nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets" <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> Verzonden: Vrijdag 14 februari 2025 01:29:09 Onderwerp: Re: <nettime> The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's Terminal Simulation Yeah. Agreed. This is where it gets tough, right? I've had an ongoing conversation with a coworker about AI. Somehow the conversation for my coworker seems to revolve solely around "product offerings" and "features" rather than freedom of inquiry, curiosity and those things that human do so well. Having encountered the language of "Product Development" as it relates to building software in 2011, and having seen its impact come straight outta Facebook and into my daily life, I am noticing this way of thinking and being in the world makes it hard to imagine a different future relative to computing. Still! Strikes me as strange. Accelerating to... what? Louis ------------------------------ louisrawlins.com 248-808-8908 On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 4:15 PM Frédéric Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com> wrote: > "Self-aware," I agree Louis, even though I wonder what sort of “self” is > at play here, because the decision, by artists and professors, to > automatically use AI is, to say the least, problematic, especially in a > situation of reactionary accelerationism (i.e, DT + JD). > > best, > > Frederic > > > __________________________________ > > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:15 PM Louis Rawlins via nettime-l < > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote: > >> This is funny. >> >> Doesn't reading AI-generated text feel like reading a CliffsNotes version >> of topics you know? I frequently can't feel bothered to read the output. >> >> I'm less concerned about "what AI" and more curious about the "pudding" >> effect of making copies of copies of copies outlined by Philip K Dick in >> "Pay for the Printer." >> >> Probably that's the dementia you speak of Frederic, but it seems like a >> pretty self-aware dementia at the moment. >> >> Louis >> >> ------------------------------ >> louisrawlins.com >> 248-808-8908 >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 7:01 AM <nettime-l-request@lists.nettime.org> >> wrote: >> >> > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >> > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > https://lists.servus.at/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > nettime-l-request@lists.nettime.org >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > nettime-l-owner@lists.nettime.org >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's >> > Terminal Simulation (Fr?d?ric Neyrat) >> > 2. Re: The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's >> > Terminal Simulation (Stefan Heidenreich) >> > 3. Re: The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's >> > Terminal Simulation (Fr?d?ric Neyrat) >> > >> > >> [snip] >> >> >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 09:01:02 -0600 >> > From: Fr?d?ric Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com> >> > To: "<nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> > collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets" >> > <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> >> > Subject: Re: <nettime> The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: >> > Capital's Terminal Simulation >> > Message-ID: >> > <CABB5BS38XTMtHFdhdJawMyJ2A-9UtkK6= >> > KPK-omBQAdsioi2-Q@mail.gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> > >> > hi sh: >> > >> > excellent question! why using a camera, and which one? If questioning >> the >> > technology we use, when we use it and why, is meaningless, it confirms >> > Bifo's point about AI & dementia. >> > >> > best, >> > >> > fn >> > >> > _______________________________ >> > ____________Website : Atopies <https://atoposophie.wordpress.com/> >> > __ ALienstagram <https://www.instagram.com/alienocene/> & Mastodon >> > <https://mastodon.social/@alienocene> >> > ______ La Condition Plan?taire >> > < >> > >> https://www.editionslesliensquiliberent.fr/livre-La_Condition_plan%C3%A9taire-792-1-1-0-1.html >> > > >> > (LLL, 2025) >> > __________________________________ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 8:11?AM Stefan Heidenreich via nettime-l < >> > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > > Why did you decide to use AI to generate this text? >> > > >> > > isn't that a funny question? Soon it will sound like in the 19 >> century: >> > > 'why did you use a camera to make that image?' or 'Images/texts >> > > generated by camera/AI or not real art/thoughts.' >> > > >> > > An btw: I guess it's a pun anyway. How long did it take you to >> generate >> > > the msg you like. How much time did you spend to adjust the prompt >> (the >> > > camera)? >> > > >> > > best >> > > sh >> > > >> > > >> > > Why this decision, what >> > > > is its meaning, its purpose? You can use AI to answer my question, >> > which >> > > > would be an answer as such (a tautology actually, a mediated answer >> > that >> > > > would confirm what sort of message it is, to borrow from McLuhan). >> If >> > you >> > > > answer my question with the help of any AI, I wonder how far this >> > > > decision should, retroactively, question your first post and change >> the >> > > way >> > > > to read it. >> > > > >> > > > Best, >> > > > >> > > > Fr?d?ric >> > > > _______________________________ >> > > > ____________Website : Atopies <https://atoposophie.wordpress.com/> >> > > > __ ALienstagram <https://www.instagram.com/alienocene/> & Mastodon >> > > > <https://mastodon.social/@alienocene> >> > > > ______ La Condition Plan?taire >> > > > < >> > > >> > >> https://www.editionslesliensquiliberent.fr/livre-La_Condition_plan%C3%A9taire-792-1-1-0-1.html >> > > > >> > > > (LLL, 2025) >> > > > __________________________________ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 4:37?PM Pit Schultz via nettime-l < >> > > > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's Terminal >> > > Simulation >> > >> >> [snippety] >> >> >> > > >> [This analysis is based on ongoing discussions about AI political >> > > economy >> > > >> on nettime-l. Comments are welcome. 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