<nettime> another non-break in the wall

[Frédéric Neyrat via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

A double wall, dear Patrice:

1) for the transhumanist guild, the impossibility to access immortality in
a devastated world - the political choice of thiel & co to join dt is based
on this bad encounter with the Real;
2) for the rest of us, a quick move towards surveillance, social wasteland,
and megafires.

fn

ps: it's worrisome (and not funny) to see how some ArtIsts (not only CEOs)
keep trying to explain that AI is creative and that human beings are
old fashioned copycats without a style, while the real question is: what
happened to subjectivity? who is the Subject today? hence my question about
decisions, i.e. the automation of decision.


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On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 3:19 AM Patrice Riemens <patrice@puscii.nl> wrote:

> Possible answer: the wall.
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> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "Louis Rawlins via nettime-l" <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>
> Aan: "Frédéric Neyrat" <fneyrat@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Louis Rawlins" <louis.rawlins@gmail.com>, "<nettime> is a moderated
> mailing list for net criticism, collaborative text filtering and cultural
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> Verzonden: Vrijdag 14 februari 2025 01:29:09
> Onderwerp: Re: <nettime> The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox:
> Capital's Terminal Simulation
>
> Yeah. Agreed. This is where it gets tough, right?
>
> I've had an ongoing conversation with a coworker about AI. Somehow the
> conversation for my coworker seems to revolve solely around "product
> offerings" and "features" rather than freedom of inquiry, curiosity and
> those things that human do so well. Having encountered the language of
> "Product Development" as it relates to building software in 2011, and
> having seen its impact come straight outta Facebook and into my daily life,
> I am noticing this way of thinking and being in the world makes it hard to
> imagine a different future relative to computing.
>
> Still! Strikes me as strange. Accelerating to... what?
>
>
> Louis
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> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 4:15 PM Frédéric Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Self-aware," I agree Louis, even though I wonder what sort of “self” is
> > at play here, because the decision, by artists and professors, to
> > automatically use AI is, to say the least, problematic, especially in a
> > situation of reactionary accelerationism (i.e, DT + JD).
> >
> > best,
> >
> > Frederic
> >
> >
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> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:15 PM Louis Rawlins via nettime-l <
> > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This is funny.
> >>
> >> Doesn't reading AI-generated text feel like reading a CliffsNotes
> version
> >> of topics you know? I frequently can't feel bothered to read the output.
> >>
> >> I'm less concerned about "what AI" and more curious about the "pudding"
> >> effect of making copies of copies of copies outlined by Philip K Dick in
> >> "Pay for the Printer."
> >>
> >> Probably that's the dementia you speak of Frederic, but it seems like a
> >> pretty self-aware dementia at the moment.
> >>
> >> Louis
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